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Lol, do you think putting effort = winning? That's not the case in the real world, and it's definitely not the case here as well. Look at the Athletes, all of them put in lots of effort into what they're doing, but in the end there's only 1 winner, because that 1 winner put in much more effort than the rest. Do you get it now? just like latte said, Putting in effort is a start, putting much more effort than the current winner = win

Ah well if that's the case, it's not our problem anymore. You have to ask that nobody guild as to how, because our answer will always be, "do better than us". That's the answer to any competition, do better than your enemy to win.

Here's a sample of OG1's first 30 members, if im correct, that's already 246b

and it's not our problem either, you can think what you want. You have to be a part of something to completely know what it's about. You're only seeing the tip of the iceberg but you're already criticizing the whole thing. What we're pointing here are facts, not thoughts. This will be my last reply, this is like answering a reporter full of rumors without anything to back it up other than "i said, he said, she said".

I'll stop here because up to now, I still don't know what you're fighting for. 2. Manipulate control or influence (a person or situation) cleverly, unfairly, or unscrupulously. Because this doesn't describe what we do at all, unfair? when? unscrupulous? when? So i just assumed you meant manipulate as the 1st one.

1. Manipulate handle or control (a tool, mechanism, etc.), typically in a skillful manner. "he manipulated the dials of the set" I'm really not sure about what you're fighting for, but thank you for telling us that we handle the guild in a skillful manner. Anyway, we never said that players need to accumulate 140 points, I'm not even sure where you get your "informations" but if you want to know more about the guild, please have a free look into our Guild Thread titled "Overgeared 1&2"

idk about same management, i barely touch OG2 guild. But for the sake of argument, let's say they do run on same management, they have completely different members though. This isn't like NX or Legends that has the same management and the same members. OG is a non-profit guild. What i get from Honorable loots is not even half of what we spent on the same week. I literally lost more or less than 2 Trillion zeny in 3 months (Probably more) just to keep the guild running. Why? because our members invested their time and effort for the guild and i don't want to let them down. That's just me though, we have few more leaders who lost more or less the same amount as me. If anyone can sacrifice more than what we did, they could definitely win. But guess what? Unlike us, I don't think anybody is willing to lose zeny for a bunch of newbies. A lot of our members said to me that they probably would've left the server already if it's not for Overgeared, the guild gave them something to do or something to reach, some sort of achievement i say. I was glad to hear that. If only you're willing to do sacrifices, efforts, make a guild, and recruit newbies, you too can get there.

Limiting guild capacity for Honorable Guild is just like limiting guild capacity for WoE but way easier. We can just divide our budget from Overgeared 1 and 2 and create Overgeared 3 and 4 and transfer half of the members from each guild to the other guild.

We aren't the first one to hold honorable castle, there are 2 other guilds before us. I also had that kind of mindset of "its impossible, don't bother" until we actually tried it, and tbh it was pretty easy lol. You just have to invest alot of time and zeny into it, which i think no one is willing to. And yes, it's a simple Quantity > Quality. i.e 1 warlock vs 2 warlocks 1 warlock can farm 3pts per hour ( Zeph + Scav ) while 2 warlocks can farm 6pts per hour ( 2 Zeph + 2 Scav )

i mean, once you have gem of pneuma you can pretty much let rangers be. lol fking gem

how dare you mention ranger

i once used enriched elu on a +7 combat asprika. I was raging so much for already having used more than 15 pure elu and all of them failed. It was a success refine though.

Skills in caspen has been disabled, thanks for the report. Thanks @GM Olyvia

yes we have a few more slots available, come geffen and look for me with the IGN Desperate Effort.

@warp caspen 160 192, the bulletin board tracks overall guild points and if you're a part of any guild, you can view your guildmates points